Can you talk about the students you've come to know the best?

Okay. Again, the ones I've known the best, they all happen to be females, because in large part it's the females more than the males that are dedicated to education, that's true of American students as well, and the last time a group of them came to my class, and I was talking to my SDSU students about my relationship with them, I basically told them that that's where I put my faith. I like to have faith in things and people I can see and touch, so my faith has grown because of the relationship I have with the refugee students, in particular the Karen students I know the best, because I see just what amazing people they are, and they don't complain much, they're not bitter about their lives, they're forward looking, so the faith they put in their future, they help give me faith in the fate of all people.

Can you give me an example, what is the faith that they put forward and the faith that they put forward in their education?

Well, they have goals in their lives, the kinds of futures  they see for themselves is a future in which they're giving back to their community. They're helping themselves, they're helping their families, so they're not going through the educational system necessarily to get rich, become doctors or lawyers, but they want to have careers that they find meaningful, and they're all about helping other people. And for me, that's a very healthy way to look into the future, we need more people who think that way, and I think a lot of American students don't take that approach, they are concerned with being successful in terms of money, and wealth.